Thursday, October 29, 2009

Thought Process on My Analysis

The below conversation is based on the chart shown.  It's between me and one of our traders.  Sean had a losing trade when he shorted AUD.  My purpose of posting it (with Sean's permission) is to show my thought process when I analyze.




Eric Says (5:16 PM):
 ok.. lets stop bitching and see what we can do next
 u want to see AUDUSD?
 lets rationalize it
sean Says (5:16 PM):
 ok
Eric Says (5:17 PM):
 ok, u ready?
sean Says (5:17 PM):
 ok
Eric Says (5:18 PM):
 AUD has come down quite a bit, do we know why it stopped here?
sean Says (5:18 PM):
 yeap
Eric Says (5:18 PM):
 why?
sean Says (5:19 PM):
 it is t 50% fibo
Eric Says (5:20 PM):
 good... but why did u choose the low for that fibo?
sean Says (5:21 PM):
 bec...it is a new trend from the most recent consolidation
Eric Says (5:21 PM):
 ok... another reason, it is Oct low
sean Says (5:21 PM):
 ok
Eric Says (5:21 PM):
 many traders look at such figures
sean Says (5:22 PM):
 ok
Eric Says (5:22 PM):
 ok now, if u draw down TL over the past few days, what do u notice?
sean Says (5:23 PM):
 broke the initial channel...very bearish
Eric Says (5:23 PM):
 how about the slope?
sean Says (5:23 PM):
 steep
Eric Says (5:24 PM):
 ok... so if we look at each impulse (based on the TL), we notice that the retracement is around 50 to 61.8%
sean Says (5:24 PM):
 ok...means that we should expect repetition ...
Eric Says (5:25 PM):
 I think so... I am trying to rationalize it
Sean Says (5:25 PM):
 i think so too
Eric Says (5:25 PM):
 and you shorted below the 23% fib-r of your recent impluse wave
 so, in this case, a unsound decision has been made
sean Says (5:26 PM):
 ok...
 i shorted below 38.2% ....but never mind...its the same
Eric Says (5:26 PM):
 that's because u draw a different fibo
sean Says (5:26 PM):
 impluse by impluse
Eric Says (5:27 PM):
 if I were u, I would have draw the fibo from yesterday's high to low
 see, this point can also affect your decision
sean Says (5:28 PM):
 ok
Eric Says (5:28 PM):
 but in any case, a 50% retracement is more healthy and that is what we should be looking for, unless u are in a aggressive mode
sean Says (5:28 PM):
 ok
Eric Says (5:28 PM):
 which also means, u should have some winning buffer to allow u to do so
Eric Says (5:29 PM):
 but since you are on losing streak, then its a no-no
sean Says (5:29 PM):
 hmmm.ok
Eric Says (5:29 PM):
 ok, let's look at new opportunity
 there are 2 possibilities now
 1) reversal
 2) retracement
sean Says (5:29 PM):
 ok
Eric Says (5:30 PM):
 let's look at 1)
 for AUD, I see a round bottom
 if a handle forms later, then a reversal is likely
sean Says (5:31 PM):
 cannot see round bottom....TF?
Eric Says (5:31 PM):
 H1
 sorry, to look for setup, we always focus on H1
 H4 is roadmap
sean Says (5:31 PM):
 ok
Eric Says (5:31 PM):
 back to the basics
 :-)
Eric Says (5:32 PM):
 but this reversal usually won't be easy
 so if we want to trade, we need to manage and not try to ride it
sean Says (5:33 PM):
 ok
Eric Says (5:33 PM):
 let's look at 2)
 If I assume it’s a retracement, I look for Gartley
 where the low point is my A
 I would wait for a lower high to form first
Eric Says (5:34 PM):
 and that's my B
  if B forms around 50% and retrace and form C, you might want to consider long and play the CD leg so now, if I assume D is 61.8 (0.9104) and if I can get a price at around 0.9060, I've got 40pips, i.e. I can try
 TP1 = 61.8%
sean Says (5:38 PM):
 ok
Eric Says (5:38 PM):
 so if it turns out to be a reversal, I still have 1/2 position to ride and add back later
Eric Says (5:40 PM):
 or when there is a signal to short, my short price potentially would be 20pips above my previous entry, so close the long and open new short
 I would have an extra buffer for this short trade
sean Says (5:40 PM):
 ic
Eric Says (5:40 PM):
 can "hear" my thought process?
sean Says (5:40 PM):
can

2 comments:

Modern Righteous Man said...

I made a similar mistake with my GBPJPY trade. i drew the fibo on a 15m chart, and saw the resistance at around 38.2%, confluence with point 2 & 4.

Alas, i forgot again, we always look for set up in H1, not 15m. silly me.

elye said...

lol... yeah sometimes we are just too focus on the setup and forgot the road map.